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Discussion About "Unconditional
Teaching" by Alfie Kohn
Hello Teachers Network Leadership Institute (TNLI)
MetLife Fellows:
Happy
New Year!
I am Raymond Lau, a MetLife Fellow in Chicago. I will be moderating
our January discussion about “Unconditional Teaching,” an
article by Alfie Kohn published in the September issue of
Educational Leadership (http://www.alfiekohn.org/articles.htm).
Last
year I joined a school in one of the most violent neighborhoods
in Chicago. Like many other low-income communities of color,
the level of anger and violence amongst students is extremely
high. One day, when I was losing my temper because students
wouldn’t cooperate at all after lunch, one girl blurted out,
“Mr. Lau, will you love us no matter what?” I had no adequate
answer. I was unwilling to say yes because that would be untrue,
and yet I did not want to say no and hurt my students’ feelings.
This question has haunted me ever since. I believe it also
lies at the heart of Alfie Kohn’s article.
According to Kohn, we must practice “unconditional teaching”
if we want to help our students become interested learners
and better people. We must “accept students for who they are
rather than for what they do.” Students must be able to feel
cared for and respected by us unconditionally, that is, even,
or especially, when they fail to meet our academic or behavioral
expectations.
I doubt
many of us will argue with Kohn up to this point. However,
from this rather uncontroversial starting point, Kohn draws
conclusions with which we may feel less comfortable, in particular,
his insistence that unconditional teaching requires the abolition
of all extrinsic rewards and punishments in the classroom.
In doing so, Kohn challenges most commonly-accepted classroom
management techniques; such as time-outs, detentions, and
other punishments. Perhaps more arguably, Kohn claims that
public recognition of “good” performance or behavior, such
as praises, stickers, and awards, is similarly damaging. Whether
they are being rewarded or punished, students will believe
that their teachers’ acceptance of them is contingent upon
their performance or behavior.
While
Kohn’s ideas are interesting and worth discussing in themselves,
we may do well to situate them within the context of our previous
listserve discussions. To begin, I pose the following questions:
1) Is
“unconditional teaching,” as defined by Kohn, even more crucial
in schools that suffer disproportionately from the structural
inequalities and systemic injustices of our society?
2) Does
the unusually high level of anger and violence in many low-income
schools of color make it impractical or unrealistic for teachers
in such schools to practice “unconditional teaching”? If so,
what are their alternatives?
3) Is
it possible to create a stimulating and caring classroom without
abolishing all extrinsic rewards and punishments? How?
4) What
structural conditions, inside and outside of the classroom,
must be met to make “unconditional teaching” possible? In
this NCLB-age, when standardized test scores are considered
all-important, how do we create or defend an “unconditional
acceptance zone”?
5) If
we agree with Kohn, what policy changes should we, both as
teachers and TNLI Fellows, advocate to promote “unconditional
teaching”?
Kohn’s article is short and easy to read. It questions the
hidden assumptions behind many everyday practices in our classrooms.
Whether we agree with them or not, Kohn’s ideas should be
examined thoroughly.
Looking
forward to hearing from all my fellow Fellows. (Please remember
to include the subject heading in your response.)
Sincerely,
Raymond Lau
Chicago
1/1/06
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Happy
New Year All!
Raymond
is right the article by Alfie Kohn on "Unconditional
Teaching" is short and easy to read.
The article
really left me with mixed feelings on my teaching style.
On one
hand -- I can think of an instance of "Unconditional
Teaching" where I did not "punish" a student's
bad behavior and later talked with him after our tempers cooled.
It indeed lead to better behavior from the student.
Then on
the other hand -- there is that time when a student blatantly
disobeyed me three separate times in a matter of 20 minutes.
After one minor correction, he took his coat and curled up
on the floor to go to sleep. This was a high school student
whom I had gotten an email message that informed me, he could
be "set off" and turn violent quite easily. What
does Mr. Kohn recommend I do in a case like this - just continue
allowing the disrespect to occur? I knew something happened
that morning and the student needed time to talk it out -
however, I have a class to teach and am not qualified to be
the student's counselor. So indirectly - I gave the student
a time out because I called for the school psychologist. When
he came back from that meeting he was fine. Plus after that
morning, the student would come and tell me when he needed
a "time-out".
Based
on these two examples, I want to offer my thoughts on Raymond's
third question "Is it possible to create a stimulating
and caring classroom without abolishing all extrinsic rewards
and punishments? How?" I do not think it's necessary
to abolish all the extrinsic rewards or punishments. Teachers
do need to take the time to develop a working relationship
with all students, especially our lower achieving students.
We may give stickers to those who achieve an 'A', but why
not also give stickers to any students who may have improved
one grade level. If a student is really struggling, applaud
his effort and take the extra time to reteach the information
to him or her.
As for
punishments - I do think that after non-verbal and verbal
cues to redirect bad behavior we have no option but to rely
on some form of punishment. At times it may be as I did, a
time-out with a school counselor, who is better able to listen
to the more serious issues that a student may be dealing with.
Other times it may need to be more severe - it comes down
to teachers having to make judgment calls and at times our
own humanness may get in the way. In my first example, my
own anger with the student impeded my judgment. Fortunately,
I gave myself time to reflect on the situation, before deciding
the course of action (which should have been a write-up).
However, I left it be. When the student later decided to try
that same behavior "pushing my buttons" - I was
ready to discuss the first time with him and we settled it
without any further problems.
We have
been to school to become teachers -- but it's our passion
to teach that keeps us here. If we focus on our passion then
we will be "Unconditional teachers"!
Sincerely,
Catherine Young
Sussex Technical High School
Georgetown, Delaware
1/2/06
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| Catherine,
I agree
with what you have to say. I also really liked your quote
at the end of your letter.
A great
article and an interesting point of view. My question is,
why did we go to college, learn to write grants, etc? I think
it is because of the rewards....whether monetary or intrinsic,
there is a reason.
I find
that the article referring to unconditional acceptance, when
really looked at, is just another word for best practices,
positive reinforcement, etc.
The article clearly defines postive behavior intervention
in its intended method. Children are reinforced throughout
each day with various consequences whether they be positive
or negative.
Being
a true positive behavior interventionists means you look for
the teachable moments whether behaviorally or academically.
The purpose of a time-out is to teach a new way of doing something.
It is not to be used as a punishment even though out children
may view it that way. Ideally, having a child who teases another
to sit-out (time-out) to think about treating people...other
students....nicely, meaning with respect for our differences.
This is the intended way of using time-out. It is a learning
opportunity. Often, when we sit down and process situations
with our students, there is no need for time-out anyway. Is
it a bad thing to teach our student's to take a break if they
need to? I don't think teaching children to self-monitor themselves
is a useless idea. In fact, it opens a door to a more unconditional
acceptance of self and ones environment.
Ideally,
the notion of positive behavior interventions, is to teach
children to reward themselves, to create an environment of
trust and mutual respect for others, and have to ability to
problem solve when issues arise. I do not think removing consequences
in the name of unconditional acceptance leaves much room for
teaching how the world works. I do not place conditions on
my students...I place expectations most definitely. In my
17 years of experience working with children who have Emotional/Behavioral
disorders and Autism Spectrum Disorders, using positve based
reinforcement interventions, is extremely successful and teaches
our student's to be respectful and respected members of our
communities and society as a whole.
Thank
you,
Chad D. Kirkpatrick, MSed, NBCT
Chicago
1/2/06
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| Happy
New Year to all. I hope everyone is getting some much needed
rejuvenation during the break.
As I read the article, several quotes jumped out at me in
relation to our current situation here in Chicago.
Kohn
quotes Hogan when he writes, "We come to lose sight of
children 'except as they distribute themselves across deciles.'"
Each year in recent history the Chicago Board of Education
has chosen to fund certain academic support initiatives tied
in some way to NCLB. Last year, the Board funded school-based
tutoring by outside companies like Sylvan and Score! Eligibility
last year was based on income. This year, a new "academy"
model is in place that will be a school-based intervention.
Students eligible this year scored in the 2nd and 3rd quartile
on the ITBS tests from last year. In the fast-paced race to
keep students just above the 50th percentile, there seems
to have been some abandonment of those at the bottom AND the
top. Why worry about challenging students who are already
bored in school or why worry about giving extra support to
the students who cause trouble because they don't have a clue
what's going on around them academically? We seem here to
be supporting keeping average kids average and helping slightly
below average kids move up to meet their average brethren.
In my
school, we gave letters to students who met the average criterion.
They had to have the letters signed and returned the next
day. Many of the students who fell into this category were
seen by their peers as "stupid" while others were
seen as "smart"... Students in the hall debated
who qualified for "Saturday School". Was it for
"stupid kids" or "smart kids"? The top
quartile wanted in. "Why can't we get extra help?"
The bottom quartile reasoned why they didn't want it. "Ain't
goin to this dumb a** school on Saturday." Certainly
as Kohn suggests, we're sending a message to our students
that they are conditionally important. I didn't have any good
answers for those who did not get selected. I had one-on-one
talks with those who were invited to assure them it wasn't
a punishment.
As for
Kohn's distaste for discussions of "behavior", he
seems to relish in the idea that a disruptive student removed
from the learning community is being sent a message that he
is not accepted and valued. To me, Kohn's glaring omission
is in the affect a consistently disruptive student has on
how valued other students feel. When one student throws pencils
and paper at other students in class and, after exhausting
instructive consequences, I move that student to a place where
he cannot throw pencils and paper, Kohn suggests I'm devaluing
that student because of his behavior.
In some
of my attempts to try reasoning with consistently disruptive
students, I have had instances like one where a student asked
me, "Can't you just teach those of us who want to learn?"
By focusing so much on assuring misbehaving students that
I value them unconditionally and focusing on ways to keep
them in the community, it seems that by Kohn's measure, I
am necessarily sending a message to all other students that
I don't value them as much; that their desire to learn is
less important than little John's desire to feel accepted.
I would love to be able to understand the motives behind the
actions of disrespectful and even violent students, but I
wonder where we draw the line between helping those disruptive
students when that help destroys the possibility for other
students to learn.
Faren
Mr. Faren D'Abell
fdabell@cps.k12.il.us
Chicago Foundation for Education/TNLI/MetLife Fellow
1/3/06
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| Happy New
Year to all!
Kohn's article made me feel both irritated
and guilty at the same time. On one hand, I wonder what I
should have done with the student who repeatedly threw tantrums,
hit others, threw the contents of his desk onto the floor,
refused to do classwork, and became the class clown. I tried
to ignore him, talk to him, tell him that he is a good person,
highlight his academic and social strengths, and bent the
rules over and over again. What didn't I do? I didn't give
him detentions, separate him from others, remove him from
the class, acknowledge his negative behavior,deal with the
fact that he never completed his classwork. What type of class
environment did this create? I had challenges every single
day from all of my students. I can only think of a handful
that had good behavior. In retrospect, I believe that my "unconditional"
approach to teaching led to an unstable, unstructured, free-for-all
environment in which all students tested me on a daily basis.
This year, I started off the year with an
iron hand. I let my students know what the expectations are
and hold them to this. There are rewards and punishments in
my class. On the other hand, I tell my students how special
they are and how much they mean to me. I bring them treats,
reward them as a group, write personal notes on their homework
assignments, send them cards, and try to make them feel cared
for and special in any way I can. From time to time, of course,
I flounder and lose my temper. There is a huge difference
with respect to classroom behavior now. Only about 4 students
misbehave from time to time. My students are engaged and learning.
They like school.
Sorry, Mr. Kohn, but there are occasional
students from time to time that make us dread coming back
to work the next day. There are students who sense when teachers
are trying to be empathetic and take advantage of that. There
are students who need psychological help way beyond what a
classroom teacher can accomplish. There are students who will
not make that emotional connection, no matter what.
I respect Mr. Kohn's point of view in that
teachers should treat students equally and infuse caring,
love, and respect into the classroom environment. I don't
believe in singling out students or humiliating them in front
of peers. I can understand how negative treatment of students
can lead to issues like bad self-esteem and academic failure.
What I'd like, however, are some specific ideas on how to
help these children. I do not believe that it is as simple
as loving them, no matter what. I don't believe that understanding
why students act the way they do is simply enough to deal
with the problem. I understand his theory, I just don't buy
his solution.
-Norma Garrity
Chicago
1/3/06 |
This
is a very interesting topic! While I admire Kohn and his work,
I think he is out of touch with the reality of classroom life
in many ways. I spent all last year engaged in an action research
study of student behavior in my first grade class. One of
the things I discovered is that, if students come to school
with five or six years of experience with a system of rewards
and punishments, then just jumping in with Kohn's idea of
"unconditional teaching" will rarely be successful.
Here's why: Vygotsky. Remember the zone of proximal development?
You have to take students where they are, and provide scaffolded
experiences to move them to where you want them to be. For
me, this meant that I was faced with students who didn't respond
to a gracious request to listen respectfully while their classmates
were talking. Instead, they became quiet when they saw me
get out my "Recess conversation" clipboard, b/c
they knew I was about to write their names down as needing
to miss the first part of recess to discuss their rudeness
with me. They responded to "punishment," b/c that's
the kind of behavior system they experienced at home (if they
even had a behavior system at home--many students these days
don't--it seems that "anything goes" in some households).
I HATED having to use such a method to get students to do
something they should have been taught already. But I had
to take my students where they were, as they were, and work
from there. No matter what Kohn or any other "expert"
says, there is NO WAY I will allow disruptive students to
ruin the educational experience for other students. If, at
first, punishment is the only way to reach them, then that
is what I will do until I can get them to the point where
my preferred method of classroom management--Responsive Classroom--will
reach them.
I disagree with
Kohn's notion of "time out," also. It is not intended
as a punishment, and it is not supposed to be imposed on a
child. Rather, it is an option provided for children--when
a child feels s/he is losing control and needs the opportunity
to cool off, s/he chooses to take a "time out" in
a previously designated "cooling off" spot. Choosing
this spot is one of the first things my class does each year.
Again, helping students get to the point where they have enough
self-regulation to realize they need to "cool off"
takes time and patience. At first, I have to say things like,
"I notice that you seem agitated. Would you like to visit
our cooling off spot?"
Happy New Year!
Gail Ritchie
Fairfax County, VA
1/4/06 |
| Hi
all.
I always
read kohn as a way to think further about my teaching - to
push boundaries out of my comfort zone (what, no clip system
on a stoplight; what, no time outs; chaos will ensue, no work
will get done!)
I don't
look to Kohn for practical answers about how to run my classroom
(and I thought this article was one of his less persuasive
pieces.) Instead, I value him for pushing important questions
that underlie my practice. As Norma said, I too often feel
guilty after reading him (which is why I waited months to
read his book on parenting! It is hard enough to feel like
a bad teacher, but a bad mom!!!) BUT it encourages me to think
about the underlying messages and the ultimate short or long
term effectiveness of clips, stickers, time outs, etc.
It is
interesting he references Watson's book Learning to Trust.
I love this book because it takes the philosophical challenge
of Kohn and shows what happens when it hits the classroom
floor. And it is not always so pretty, which I don't think
Kohn really acknowledged. In fact, it is very complicated
and this book has the courage to show that it is a long, difficult
process. The book follows a teacher for 2 years (where she
looped with her students) who is teaching in a high-poverty
school and who is struggling with questions of building trust
with students, creating a stable, firm, consistent classroom
in the midst of chaos, taking problems in the classroom and
changing them into moments of problem-solving, of creating
community.
And none
of this happens in the book or in our lives in some sort of
quick fix; it is a long process that requires getting to know
the students well, like Kohn argues for. I have found our
morning meeting time (where we do a song or activity that
involves greeting every student in the class, sharing something
important and planning our day) and our class meetings to
be one of the important times for community building. It helps
build trust and knowledge between the students and myself
but just as important if not more important, it builds it
between the students themselves. I feel some of the pressures
Kohn talks about in terms of time crunch for "academics,"
but as with most good teaching, the time it takes it pays
off in being able to have a functioning classroom in a very
difficult situation.
I do subscribe
to many of Kohn's underlying assumptions and try to implement
some of the theory into the real world of teaching on the
west side of Chicago. I did away with my clips, my stickers,
almost all of my extrinsic rewards. I found many of the approaches
of Responsive Classroom to give me the answers to how to create
a community in a classroom, how to learn about students (their
hopes and their dreams), how to implement logical consequences,
how to help them learn to problem solve and make amends when
they make mistakes. It is not a perfect classroom, but it
is much more functional than before for all of us. It is more
stable, more loving, more engaged. the students are now talking
through many of their problems and figuring out how to solve
it in ways that respects all sides - often, without my help!
It took months of modeling, but now they have some great skills.
I think
Kohn offers some great challenges and I think we have the
real world workshop in which to figure out what it look likes
in our own classrooms, how it fits best for our students and
for ourselves.
Liz Goss
Chicago
1/4/06
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| Norma and Faren have
taken the words out of my mouth and trumped Mr. Kohn's "unconditional
teaching." As I read the article last week, I tried to
imagine a place where this idea of a class without a system
of consequences for behavior could functionally operate ...
perhaps in a dream world. An organized classroom where positive
behavior is reinforced and students are loved (i.e. notes,one-on
one conversations) and yet negative behavior that disrupts
learning processes is discouraged is a model for real-world
interaction. When our students go out into the working world,
they will expected to greet their co-workers, work together
and be respectful to their bosses. Why shouldn't they start
these habits in school?
Although I agree that tactics like humiliation,
yelling and you-messages do not promote success, sometimes
a time-out, a whispered warning or a talk outside the class
are necessary to quickly thwart disrespectful behavior and
keep the lesson going for those 28 other students who are
on task and ready to learn.
Amber Moss
New York City
1/4/06 |
Alfie
Kohn, if nothing else, is provocative. I'm glad that, in just
four days, he has already provoked a variety of perspectives
from us. Wouldn't it be wonderful if, out of this diversity
of opinions, we come to know ourselves and our teaching a
little better? Let's keep this up!
In struggling
with Alfie Kohn's ideas, I keep coming back to the following
questions:
1) Are
extrinsic rewards and punishments effective? For what purposes?
For how long? And for whom? (For example, do "Student-of-the-Week"
awards help students become more interested learners in the
longrun?)
2) Do
extrinsic rewards and punishments help our students become
better, morally speaking, individuals? Or do they encourage
students to do the right things for the wrong reasons? (For
example, "Hmmm, I'd better not cheat on this test because
I don't want to get caught...")
3) For
classrooms (such as mine) that has an extremely high level
of anger, punishments seem to only make things worse. What
alternative strategies can we use to create a caring community?
Raymond Lau
Chicago
1/4/06
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I've greatly
enjoyed reading the responses to Kohn's article and feel moved
to share my own thoughts...I teach 6th graders in an ILC (Intensive
Learning Center) in Delaware. Just as I differentiate instruction
for my students I do the same with regards to 'classroom management.'
My students have different academic AND behavioral strengths
and weaknesses, but just as our country has certain expectations
for the way people should behave (rules, laws, etc.), our
classroom community as a whole needs to, also. I begin the
school year allowing my class to be a apart of this process,
thus taking responsibility and contributing to their education
and allowing them to have a voice/choice. From there, I explain
the following quote: "Some people regard discipline as
a chore. For me, it is a kind of order that sets me free to
fly." ~Julie Andrews-It can be a pretty philosophical
viewpoint for some young minds, but one that is learned through
examples, modeling, role play and experience. Whether folks
think my approach is right or wrong, it is one that has worked
for the past several years, however, I believe that teaching
is much like parenting...trial and error and what works for
one child or group of children may not work for all. I'll
continue to read and learn from others' thoughts and opinions.
Thank you.
Whitney Price
Special Needs Parent and Educator
Delaware
1/5/06 |
Greetings
to all from "Sunny California?" I hate to be redundant,
but I've enjoyed all the responses to all the articles we
have been reading. This one seems to have hit a nerve in many
of us, including myself. Liz Goss' response echoes my own
sentiments.
I have
been a Cooperating Teacher (Master Teacher) for a number of
years, and classroom management is always the most challenging
piece to teach. My message to pre-service teachers is always
the same. Every teacher, regardless to length of time teaching,
struggles with this area-some years more than others. I also
tell them that anything I model, good or bad, are tools to
add to their arsenal of knowledge. When I made the transition
from corporate America to the classroom, I brought much of
that experience to the classroom. I had to learn that children
are not "widgets," just like we are not "widgets."
What works for one group of students oft times does not work
for another group. The more strategies we have at our disposal
will only better prepare us for that group of students for
which our past strategies have not proven successful.
Self-reflection
is always uncomfortable. It forces us to look at ourselves
and practices critically. If we are truly objective in our
reflection, we find that there is always room for improvement.
While meeting the needs of all students is somewhat unrealistic,
it should still be our goal. When I read Kohn's article, I
too had visions of students over the years that made me search
deep within myself each morning to be happy to have that child
in my classroom. My responses to their constant interruptions
have not always been ones that I would replay again. I reflect
on those frustrating instances later, and have always thought
of other responses that may have been better. What Kohn suggests
is not a magic wand, but yet another tool that can be employed
as a possibility. Building meaningful relationships has always
been a time consuming endeavor. His suggestion may not work
for all those students that challenge us behaviorally, but
it may work for one and that's one more than before.
Wow!
Who knew I had so many thoughts to share.
Happy
New Year to us All.
Asa Salley-Fellow
3rd Grade Teacher
John Bidwell Elementary
Sacramento, CA
1/5/06
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This
indeed has sparked, if anything, a reflective look at we do
on a daily basis. One idea I keep thinking of is teaching
"replacement behaviors". When I was consultanting
for an area that was experiencing a huge change in the population
of students it was serving, I had to teach the teachers about
replacement behaviors. Teaching replacement behaviors means
setting behavior management in your classroom that is fair
for all students. That does not necessarily mean doing the
same for everyone because not everyone needs the same treatment.
In this district I am referencing, they were once a highly
affluent district where many languages were spoken, parents
were involved, and they had lots of money. Well, things changed
and industries moved and their student population began to
change.
Housing became much less expensive and low income families
from a large urban area moved in. Now they were dealing with
street smart children and children from single parent homes,
etc...I am sure you understand what is happening. These teacher's
tried to continue to teach as they always have and it was
not working. My job was to set-up programming in these schools
that helped these students and teachers work together. Replacement
behaviors was a new idea to this faculty. They were expecting
these children to know cerrtain ways of behaving and they
kept hitting a brick wall. I basically explained that they
could no longer expect these children to know what to do on
their own. When the ask the student to stop some behavior,
they had to teach them what to do instead...a new replacement
behavior. Kohn does not address these behavioral concerns
in my opinion. It seems he is relying on students already
knowing how to act. Many of them do not and it is yeat another
responsibility we educators have.
I feel
very passionate about positive interventions to support student
behavior and help them to learn.
Consequences
are not bad. I use them all of the time...the thing is, consequences
can be positive or negative. It is up to the individual depending
on what choice they make. I may be way off, but this is the
way I am interpretting Kohn's article.
The comments I
have read today are fantastic and I am very grateful that
I can participate with such a vast body of knowledge. I look
forward to reading more comments on this issue.
Chad D. Kirkpatrick
Chicago
1/5/06
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Hello
Raymond and fellow Fellows:
Here's a different perspective from my last email.
Although
I've enjoyed a couple of weeks off, I occasionally think about
how much I miss my first graders. I recall a time about a
month ago when I told my class how proud I was of each and
every one of them (I don't exactly recall for what reason).
Their beaming faces and the proud looks on their faces helps
me get through the tough days. I smile when I think about
how exicited and happy they become when I say, "ok, today
we'll dance the cha-cha slide." I laugh out loud when
I envison how much they are trying to concentrate when we
dance the Macarena. On the other hand, my heart broke the
week before winter break when we had a classroom spelling
bee. It was my task to select the best 3 spellers to go on
to represent the class for the school spelling bee. Although
I explained several times that not all students have the same
strengths and that our winners would go on to represent us,
it didn't stop one student from tearing up and crying on my
shoulder. It didn't stop the sad looks on the faces of about
4 other students. One boy put his head down shamefully.
This
was the first time I'd had my students "compete"
against each other (this school year). Sadly, our society
is based on a system of punishments and rewards. We, as adults,
are definitely motivated by rewards, whether monetary or not.
Why wouldn't kids be motivated by this as well? I suppose
one thing to keep in mind is the types of rewards we offer
and to whom. When I reward my students for one thing or another
(usually bevavior-based), I find some way to reward the rest
of the group for effort. I do have a "Star of the Week"
in my class that is randomly selected, but each student will
eventually be "highlighted" and it's a great way
for all of us to get to know each other a bit more. I can't
imagine a classroom without some type of reward system. With
rewards, however, punishments must exist.
Last
year, I had a student who was constantly talking in class.
He was a good kid and so affectionate, but I found myself
calling his name over and over again. In another teacher's
classroom, he might have received a detention, but I would
just talk to him in private. It turned out his home life was
much less loving and nurturing than one could hope for. I
realized that the only "normal" part of his life
was in the classroom. That is why he was always talking, trying
to make friends. Our little talks seemed to help him at times,
but not at others. I did "punish" him from time
to time, but without humiliation or in a way that might make
him resentful. I see him in the hallway now and he always
says hi to me. He will give me hugs, with his head hung low.
He still struggles in the classroom and his reading skills
are very poor. He always seemed to like school, though. I
talked to his 2nd grade teacher at the beginning of the school
year, hoping she could help him or at least understand him.
I was infuriated one day when I walked by and noticed that
she had separated him from the rest of the class and pushed
his desk in front of the chalkboard. Obviously, this didn't
change much because a couple of weeks later she gave up on
that idea.
That incident
made me think, "Am I a hypocrite? Do I justify certain
types of punishments while condemning others? Would I have
treated this boy in the same manner if I did not know the
type of home environment he lived in?" I still cannot
answer those questions.
Norma
Garrity
Chicago
1/5/06
|
Chad, I enjoyed your comments
about replacement behaviors.
The common thread, throughout the responses
is building relationships with the students. As a secondary
technical related teacher - I do not usually have the luxury
of building a relationship with the student prior to behavioral
or academic challenges. We have block scheduling and my courses
are only one semester long. That means I have the students
for about 45 class periods before getting a new group. Not
exactly an ideal situation to build these relationships.
I have found that rewards do work. It's amazing
when I break out the stickers - these high schoolers actually
start doing their homework so that their quiz grades go up
and they can get a sticker. Since the quiz is based on their
homework, the stickers for getting an 'A' on the quiz creates
a double plus for all students. Their homework grades go up
which in turn brings up the quiz grade.
I like your comment about consequences being
good or bad based on the choices the student makes - that
is in effect what we are teaching the students. And as adults,
I am sure we have all learned how true that is!
Catherine Young
Sussex Tech
Delaware
1/5/06 |
| Happy
New Year TNLI Fellows!
I agree
with all of the comments made thus far and have enjoyed reading
and reflecting on my own teaching experience concerning "unconditional"
teaching. My first reaction is answering the question of,
"Do I do life unconditionally?" My answer is I try.
I try in my personal relationships with friends, family, and
co-workers. However I am unsuccessful most of the time because
our society is built upon conditions. This however doesn’t
mean that I will stop because I do believe that that kind
of acceptance will change our society for the better.
Now,
back to teaching...Because most of us are not proficient in
living life unconditionally, I feel the best way to teach
this to our students is to make our thought processes transparent,
thoughtful, and realistic to our students. Kohn has brought
up two excellent ideas that help bring us closer to unconditional
teaching. Involving the student in the problem-solving process
is key and actually accomplishes both awareness of the problem
and showing that you care to solve the problem with the student.
Also, addressing the behavior head on by announcing to the
student that you are not going to "get me to dislike
you" by doing the disruptive stuff separates the child
from the behavior and places the dislike on the behavior.
I do
not agree with Kohn’s analysis on using the "time out."
Nobody likes to be "placed" anywhere against their
will, but I don’t think he would disagree with using the "time
out" as a choice. As a teacher, I sometimes get frustrated
and need a time out. To lead by example I state this to the
class and explain that one, I need it and two why I need it,
this teaches them that we all need some down time and need
to know how to identify our own "down time." Modeling
self-awareness throughout the day helps me to monitor myself.
How lucky we are as teachers to have the opportunity in our
jobs to "think out loud" about our processes, both
positive and negative. Imagine sitting in a cubicle in corporate
America talking out loud about your thought processes. You
would certainly be called into question.
One thing
that seems to bother me most about this idea and the article
is how teacher focused it is. What happen to the notion of
using other classmates and trusted guides to help in this
process. In my class when there are "distracting"
behaviors (that is our label in room 9) everybody is responsible
for one letting me know, and to help if needed. For example,
I had a student that gets up our of his chair all the time.
I talked with him privately about it and other students identified
this behavior as distracting to them. So the student agreed
to get some help from a student he trusts. He picked the girl
sitting next to him. Her responsibility is to mark a tally
on a post-it everytime he gets up. Everyday he tries to beat
his "score" from the previous day. We all publicly
acknowledge his growth and reflect on how improved our learning
environment has become. This was facilitated by me as the
teacher, but it is also in the hands of the learning community.
Thanks
for all your insightful responses,
Dana
Grimes
2nd grade
Fruit Ridge Elementary
Sacramento, CA
1/7/06
|
| Hi
TNLI Fellows,
As the moderator of this discussion, I've been really resisting
the urge to jump in and take a position vis-a-vis Kohn's ideas
even though I do have strong feelings about them; I was afraid
that I would overstep my boundaries. Dana's heartfelt response
today pushed me over the edge. I'm in total agreement with
her thoughts and sentiments. I think Kohn is, too.
So, I'm
going to take off my moderator's hat and get a few thoughts
off of my chest.
I think
it is wrongheaded to argue that we should model our classrooms
after the "real" world and to propose that if extrinsic
rewards and punishments constitute the operating principle
of the "real" world, then, by all means, they should
also form the foundation of our classrooms. I, for one, but
I'm sure there are many others, became a teacher because I
was not content with the "real" world. I fight to
help bring about a better society in the future by trying
to create a more caring, democratic community within my classroom
in the here and now. I struggle to enable my students to grow
up to be independent learners and moral individuals who can
help transform a world that has treated them with such disdain
and injustice. I don't want my classroom to be like the "real"
world; I want it to be better than the "real" world!!
Lest
you think I am a naive, ivory-tower idealist, like so many
people suspect Kohn to be, let me hasten to add that I teach
in one of the toughest schools in Chicago, both in academic
performance and discipline. Everyone is bombarded by outbursts
of anger and violence constantly. A fellow teacher told me
just before the winter break that she had been going back
home in tears every day. Rewards and punishments don't work
in my school. In fact, they make things worse! When I reward
a student, I hurt the feelings of others. When I punish a
student, I make him/her even angrier. I think my students
are so sensitive because they have been hurt and rejected
so much and so often before. The most common response I hear
is "I don't care!" Somehow, they think that comment
will protect them from being hurt further. A few times, I
became so exasperated that I ended up saying "Well, if
you don't care, I don't care, either!"
What
do I have to do to break this vicious circle of "I don't
care!"? I have tried many things, but nothing really
worked. I now believe that the only hope I have in turning
things around in my classroom is through "unconditional"
teaching. It sends the message that "No matter what you
do, I care!"
In previous
listserve discussions, we have talked about poverty, funding
inequities, racism, unions, etc. If we are serious about doing
something about them, I believe we must begin in our own classrooms.
We are teachers, afterall. It is in our own classrooms that
we must say, "This is where I draw the line. This is
where I begin to fight back." And I fight back by asking
my students to help me create and maintain a learning community
that is caring, moral, and democratic, one that is distinctly
different from the angry and violent environment that is immediately
outside of our classroom. I actually told my students that
I would no longer reward and punish anyone any more, and I
explained why to them. (I teach 5th grade, so I can have these
conversations with my students.) I told my students that they
should do the right things for the right reasons and not just
because they are afraid to be punished by me or their parents.
I think engaging students in moral dialogues is the best way
to help them develop the ability to think and make decisions
about matters of right and wrong for themselves. In addition
to these moral dialogues, I also hold class meetings regularly
and conduct activities that improve my students' problem-solving
skills.
My experiment
began over a year ago. How successful has it been? Well, it's
too early to tell. I'll be honest, I was an emotional wreck
most of the time last year. If it weren't for the support
of my fellow Fellows here in Chicago, I simply would not have
been able to survive the year. But then I was a new teacher
at my school last year, and students really knew how to push
a new teacher's buttons. Things are much smoother this year.
I think it's mainly because incoming students were impressed
by the interesting and outstanding work that my students did
last year and that they had already heard about my reputation
of doing things very differently. But things can still get
really rough once in a while. The bottom-line is: I think
most of my students have grown significantly in their ability
to tell right from wrong and that they are more willing and
ready to monitor their own academic and behavioral performance.
I still
use punishments more often than I like, when I get angry and
lose control myself. But after I have calmed down, I always
explain to my students that I still believe that punishments
are wrong and ineffective; it was just that I had lost my
temper. And if I think I had made a mistake, I would apologize
to the class or to the individual student publicly. My students
know well that I don't pretend to be perfect at all and that
I make mistakes just like they do. And they can be amazingly
understanding and forgiving.
Once
in a while, when the going really gets rough, I am tempted
to give up my experiment and just give the whole class detention
or something. But then I resist the temptation. I dig a little
deeper to try to find a little more energy and inspiration
to keep going. We don't give up our dream of democracy just
because it often seems unattainable. By the same token, I
don't give up my dream of a caring, moral, and democratic
classroom just because it seems "impractical" at
times!
I am
grateful for all the thoughtful and heartfelt responses to
this discussion so far. I am learning a great deal from them
and they keep me fired up.
Raymond Lau
Chicago
1/7/06
|
Hi
there.
I have
been reading the list serv discussion with excitement this
month.
I've tried to use Kohn's writings for inspiration in my teaching
and in my parenting.
Raymond's
post, which really echoes my thinking on the subject, reminded
me of a story (that I know I've told some of you). It's about
my older daughter, Hannah. She's 11 now and the preteen behavior
of telling me that she hates me began when she was around
9. The conversations usually would go like this: Hannah: "I
hate you!!!" Judi: "Well, I love you" (to which
would get angry and she would storm off) One day, I was pretty
fed up and when she told me she hated me, I said "Well,
I'm not too fond of you right now, either." She stood
there a moment and her face crumbled and she started to cry
and said, "No, you're supposed to say that you love me
anyway!"
For me,
the story has really epitomized the notion of unconditional
love and acceptance that children need in order to feel secure.
I think that they will always test us, as parents and as teachers,
and I'm not sure why they just don't believe that we won't
leave them or hate them when they do test us (maybe because
adults have left them before?--but what's my daughter's excuse?).
My other
thought on the subject, and something I've been mulling for
a while, is that schools (and individual teachers) make a
decision to treat children as "good" or "bad".
I don't think that this is often a conscious decision, unfortunately.
Instituting rewards and punishments, and no-excuses rules,
assume that our students are bad and need to be controlled.
Several of the schools that I work in in the South Bronx make
this assumption and my new teachers are quickly realizing
that the rewards/punishments system is sorely lacking. When
we teach unconditionally, we are teaching under the assumption
that our students are, and want to be "good" and
we have to support them in trying to be. As many respondents
said, it's about building relationships with students, and
acting accordingly when it is necessary, based on the specific
situation, instead of relying on "one-size fits all"
external rewards, consequences and rules to determine behavior.
Thanks
for such an enriching conversation
Judi
Fenton
New York City
1/8/06
|
Isn't
it wonderful that this article has caused all of us to stop
and think about how we teach and interact with our students!
I believe that each one of us aspires to be an "unconditional
teacher". So often the circumstances in which we find
ourselves can steer us off course....and hence the value of
this article to guide some soul-searching. I was especially
struck by a thought in the article that referred to a study
where students who felt unconditionally accepted by their
teachers were more likely to be interested in learning and
enjoy challenging tasks, etc. It made me think that teachers
need to be unconditionally accepted by their principals......think
of the powerful teaching that could happen in an atmosphere
of unconditional respect.
In reflecting on Kohn's article, I do believe strongly that
in the area of rewards and punishments...I prefer the word
consequences....there are many different and valid points
of view. To be the critical component of either of these is
the "HOW" of the reward or the consequence. The
"HOW" stays with a child, or any of us, forever.
I teach in a third grade class in a school in the Bronx. The
students are very challenging and exhibit many anti-social
behaviors. There have been situations when it was necessary
to remove a student from the group or another child for everyone's
safety and well-being.
HOW that
is done determines whether or not it helps the child grow
and develop as an individual. And the bottom line is that
a child knows instinctively whether or not we value them...or
are just putting up with them.
So as
a new year begins, thanks for the opportunity to stop and
reflect.
Maureen
Connelly
New York City
1/8/06
|
I
have enjoyed reading about how others teach and interact with
students. I was consoled that so many responded with such
honesty! Thanks for that! It sure is hard to respond correctly
at all times to some students, I know I want to, but after
over 30 years of teaching it doesn't get any easier. I often
have to evaluate my "unconditional teaching."
Discipling
children is difficult and risky. They all don't respond the
same way to rewards and punishments. I recently read John
Rosemond, the family psychologist, who wrote discipline is
a matter of leadership, not punishment-ship. He states that
disciplining a child should be different than the training
of a rat---manipulating rewards and punishments. Missing from
this equation is recognition that humans possess free will
while rats do not. It is a difficult (sometimes impossible)
task to deal with humans and get great results all the time
just because we are dealing with individuals they may well
make wrong choices or buck authority disregarding the punishment
just to show that they have a free will and no one has authority
over them. I think we all can relate to that to some degree.
So what
is the solution to this frustrating, stressful situation that
we have to deal with in our classes? Rosemond writes it's
the old-fashioned understanding that discipline is a matter
of how well one communicates, not how well one manipulates
consequences. I thought his insights were helpful in deepening
our understanding of unconditional teaching. I would just
like to add that I also believe that communication is a matter
of highly skilled teaching. Knowing when and how to talk to
a student is the difference between annoying him or having
him open up. We need to think carefully before we speak so
we can be the diplomats we need to be in these tough situations
in our classrooms. When we assume this role of leadership
and thoughtful communication with our students, unconditional
teaching will be there.
Jean Davies
Wyoming
1/8/06
|
Whenever
I read Kohn or hear him speak, I am both energized to be a
better teacher and depressed that I'm not better. At times,
when he is giving examples of what NOT to do, I think to myself,
"Damn, that's me."
Reading
the article makes me think what I often have to remind myself
- my students are just kids. Even when they make me angry,
they are just kids who probably hurt inside and don't know
what to do with that hurt. And, because I'm human, sometimes
I don't see that - sometimes it's very hard to see that. Sometimes,
I don't see the hurt behind the endless streams of curses
thrown at me. But, that doesn't mean it isn't there.
What I take away
from this article is that our students need our support -
whether they behave well, perform well, make us angry, or
fail at everything we give them. We are there to be their
teachers and their guides.
Tim Fredrick
New York City
1/9/06
|
I
have never seen Tim Frederick teach, just observed his contribution
to NYC TNLI work, and followed his always interesting and
informative blog entries on teaching English Language Arts
[http://timfredrick.typepad.com/timfredrick/].
But from what I have seen, Tim gives himself far too little
credit below, and gives Alfie Kohn far too much credit. I
had managed to avoid commenting on Kohn up to this point,
but I can't bear watch Tim finding himself coming up short
on the Kohnian standard.
It is
not by accident that Tim is the self-depreciating teacher,
and the Alfie is the self-promoting writer and speaker. Dr.
Kohn offers a cure that others are supposed to apply, not
himself. His Summerhillian view of the world works best outside
of the confines of real schools and real classrooms. It is
in the world of his libertarian abstraction that children's
learning is entirely self-directed, that all learning takes
the form of play, and that self-discipline grows organically
from inside the child, without any external direction. It
is on the lecture circuit and in the printed word [both forms
of communication that allow him to evade the dialogue which
at the heart of the classroom and the school] that this romantic
view of the development and education of children seems most
impressive. In the real world, it is otherwise. By measuring
himself against Kohn's standards, Tim finds himself wanting
in terms of a utopian benchmark that he -- and other real
world teachers -- could not possibly meet.
Far too many novice
teachers start out with Kohn's romantic, libertarian worldview,
thinking that the only thing that keeps students from achieving
and excelling is repressive schools and authoritarian teachers.
If I really care about students, the logic of this view goes,
they will respond to my obvious love and care. When combined
with the inexperience of novice teachers, this approach is
a formula for chaos. Students do not understand the lack of
limits as caring, but rather as not caring -- if you really
cared, they think, you would be working to keep me doing what
is right. In very short order, most of these novice teachers
go careening in the opposite direction, toward a very authoritarian
presence, as a matter of what they decide is self-survival.
Kohn's Summerhillian worldview is Manichean, polarized between
his romantic libertarianism and authoritarian repression,
and when the libertarian approach falls flat, it seems that
authoritarianism is the only viable option left.
But successful
teaching and efficacious caring takes root in something different
than these polarized extremes. It does not involve either
an abdication of authority or blind obedience to authority,
but the elaboration of a democratic authority. There is a
tension in that formulation, but it is a tension essential
to the educational process. Education is necessarily an unequal
relationship, since the teacher possesses knowledge that students
need, and that must be imparted to them. And yet education
must have a vital egalitarian component, because learning
requires dialogue, as we knew as long ago as Socrates. The
accomplished teacher is simultaneously a figure of authority
and a democrat.
To understand this
notion, let’s begin with the first, most fundamental forms
of education. I am no fan of the market systems and behavorialist
mechanisms of rewards and punishments against which Kohn polemicizes.
But Kohn uses them as a straw opponent, to avoid the real
issues of limits and consequences in education. Children are
socialized into positive, social behavior – it does not happen
by itself, and children are not by nature benevolent beings
who will blossom into loving adults if only left alone. If
anything, children are naturally quite selfish and self-centered
little tyrants, starting from their infant experience that
the world exists to serve their needs. Isn’t the world of
an infant restricted to his or her immediate caregivers, and
don't those people provide for every need, soon after he or
she starts crying? Sharing, empathy, and care for others are
the products of socialization, of education from the outside.
While these sentiments and dispositions are not nurtured by
yellow stars or by class dollars, they are most definitely
taught. They do not arise naturally and organically, Rousseau's
Emile and South Pacific to the contrary; they must be self-consciously
taught -- they must be modeled, they must be demonstrated,
they must be practiced, they must be advocated, and in all
of this, they are taught.
One other point.
I also do not know what conception of love eliminates all
negative emotion, such as anger and disappointment, from its
expression. There are times when anger is precisely the emotion
of love. Let’s consider the most extreme example: what other
feeling is an appropriate response, rooted in love, for example,
to a student who is cruel, in the way we know young people
can be, to another student. No doubt, there are appropriate
and inappropriate ways to express that anger, but what possible
good would come from pretending that one is not and should
not be angry at such behavior. Some acts violate important
moral codes, and do so in the most cavalier way, without any
mitigating circumstances. To deny anger in that context is
to deny the wrong of what was done.
Leo Casey
New York City
1/9/06
|
Hi
everyone,
I am worried that Leo's recent response to Kohn is so heavy-handed
that it is making others feel too intimidated to share their
views, especially those of us who may not be very familiar
with Kohn. It is so vehement that it seems more an attack
than a disagreement. And it seems to be based more on emotions
and ideology than a careful analysis of the text.
I am
not trying to defend Kohn; I am only trying to defend this
listserve discussion as an open forum to which each and every
one of us can feel safe and comfortable to contribute. I want
to make sure that we can all feel free to express our opinions,
no matter how unpopular they may appear to some, without worrying
that someone is going to "jump all over us." Don't
we do this in our classrooms every day? Isn't this what we
mean when we say we want our students to feel safe to speak
up, even though their views may be unpopular? Isn't this what
democracy is ultimately all about?
Our discussion
has been going strong; a wide range of views were expressed.
I was touched by many comments and have learned a great deal.
I have had to reexamine my initial impressions of Kohn, but
I believe I now have a more accurate assessment of both the
pros and cons of his ideas. More importantly, the discussion
so far has given me new ideas and energy for the future.
There
are still plenty of issues about "unconditional teaching"
to talk or argue about. I encourage all of us, especially
those who haven't joined in yet, to continue to contribute
to this discussion, regardless of how unpopular you think
your opinions might be.
Raymond Lau
Chicago
1/12/06
|
I
think the main feeling/response I have to Kohn's article is
guilt.
You see,
I agree with Kohn's philosophy. I discovered Kohn in graduate
school and his message resonated strongly. I am a career changer
and have been teaching for 9 years. I have taught 1st through
4th grades. I teach in a middle class school in NYC where
most children perform on grade level. About half of the teachers
in my school use some type of behavior mod system for classroom
management based on positive reinforcement. I have resisted
instituting one in my classroom but have come very close during
times of extreme frustration.
The problem is
I would love to run my classroom the way Kohn describes but
it feels almost "saintly" to me. I generally form
a caring relationship with each student in my class but each
year there will be one or two that I have to work very hard
to like. In trying to find a balance with classroom management
I tend to err on the side of having a "rowdy" class
at times. I don't use techniques that control too tightly
because I can't bear it when the class is bored and disengaged.
I like it when the kids are animated and get excited about
learning and at times this spills over into rowdiness. I tend
to "scold" kids for misbehavior and will take time
off of choice time when really pushed. Even after 9 years
of teaching I find management to be the toughest part. I feel
that an important part of my job is to get a kid to the end
of the year still excited about learning. The kids seem to
become attached to me year after year as well as make good
progress. My management is definitely a work in progress.
I lose my temper, yell at times but do my best to be respectful
and caring of the kids. I continually reflect upon my practice.
The bottom line is I love learning and communicating that
love of learning to children. I care about the kids. I do
my best.
Frances Schuchman
New York City
1/14/06
|
I
have found Kohn provocative and useful as a sort of gadfly
to challenge my thinking. What I always find intriguing in
discussions about Kohn is the ease with which teachers fall
into a collective kind of self-guilt about not being able
to live up to Kohn's standard in their classrooms. We tend
to look inward as opposed to outward when both orientations
are what is required. In essence, Kohn challenges us to think
about the particular culture of our classrooms, but the culture
of any classroom is deeply imbedded in the culture of the
school. And most of us are acutely aware that the school cultures
in which we work are often fundamentally at odds with Kohn's
vision. On one level, Kohn falls short because he fails to
offer a pedagogical approach to help teachers move towards
"unconditional teaching;" as a result, he leaves
teachers questioning their efficacy. More significantly, Kohn
fails to offer a meaningful policy-driven critique.
How much
more powerfully would Kohn read if he felt like an ally to
teachers who was helping policy makers to better understand
the structural barriers that prevent many teachers from implementing
some of Kohn's ideas in a more sustainable manner? In his
work with the Fair Test group, which can be looked at more
as a student advocacy project and not necessarily a teacher-driven
enterprise, Kohn has taken a step in the right direction.
However, in light of the tremendous effort made by teachers
to address the issues that he raises, Kohn falls alarmingly
short for me in advocating for these very same teachers.
Mark Silberberg
New York City
1/15/06
|
|
I would like to comment
on Raymond's concern that Leo's response was heavy-handed
and might intimidate others from sharing their views. In my
first response to the Kohn article I noted, among other things,
that my main reaction was guilt because I thought it was an
admirable approach to teaching and I knew I fell very short
of Kohn's vision. I found Leo's response quite refreshing.
Leo made excellent points about how and why Kohn's approach
would not be practical or doable in public/city schools. Leo's
response initially had the effect on me of "The Emperor
has no clothes!" which was an important new step in my
thinking about Kohn but was not the ending point.
After
reading Leo's arguements I thought, well of course this couldn't
work exactly as Kohn has laid it out in most schools and I
should stop beating myself up for not having the type of classroom
he describes. I differ from Leo in that I do believe there
are places where Kohn's ideas could be implemented. I went
to graduate school at Bank Street College and student taught
at the elementary school that is a part of Bank Street College.
The school is like a lab site for the ideas that they teach
at the graduate school and they were doing a pretty good job
at implementing Kohn's ideas. The conditions were very different
than those that I encountered when I began teaching in a public
school. The Bank Street Elementary School had a class size
of about 22-25, had a head teacher as well as an intern who
I'm pretty sure was full time and a student teacher. They
also had support people who would come in and help struggling
students with reading and math. In addition to the difference
in the classroom conditions, the families sent their children
to Bank Street because it was a progressive school and thus
the kids were exposed to similar ways of thinking at both
home and school,i.e. a wavelength very similar to Kohn's.
Bank Street was
where I was first exposed to Kohn. As I mentioned in my previous
response, I work in a middle class high performing school
and yet the culture is still very different than the Bank
Street School. Some of the teachers at my school do create
an environment closer to the Kohn ideal than the rest of us
in the school. These teachers have a strength in creating
a certain type of classroom community. Myself and other teachers
in the school may have different strengths but I believe our
management styles reflect that we care about and respect the
kids .
So I do believe
Kohn's ideas can work under certain conditions but Leo's response
started me thinking differently about Kohn. I always admire
teachers whose classrooms reflect Kohn's philosophy but Leo
helped me to realize I didn't have to feel "less then"
if I was not able to be that way myself. Sometimes the culture
of the school lends itself easily to implementing Kohn's ideas
and than again there are school cultures that do not and yet
are still caring places of learning. I also think there is
the issue of teacher temperament; even if the school culture
is not a Kohn model, certain teachers have classrooms that
are because that is who they are as people. The important
point for me was to realize that there are many ways to be
a gifted teacher. Sometimes when I read Kohn I get so caught
up in his world view that it seems like his is the only way.
That is the spell that Leo helped to break and I for one,
am happy for his response. I would hope, and tend to believe,
that people taking part in this Fellowship are strong enough
not to be intimidated by other peoples’responses. Also, many
thanks to Raymond for facilitating this thought provoking
discussion.
Frances Schuchman
New York City
1/15/06
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colleagues:
I have also been
reading this discussion thread and have been thinking about
how our responses demonstrate the dynamic complexity of life
in schools. A colleague of mine, Jan Nespor, wrote a book
entitled, All Tangled Up in School (forgive my lack f punctuation,
the keyboard I am using is unfamiliar) that sort of captures
my feeling about working in 21st century schools. I have spent
most of my life in schools, and beginning in 1982 I taught
high school for more almost 20 years and since 2000. I have
returned periodically to teach summer school in-between working
in teacher preparation. These experiences, together with my
research in schools tell me there is no one thing that "works"
because each day, each kid, each classroom, each school, each
community etc is unique, though there are some features we
have seen/heard/described that characterize some sorts of
schools. What I take away from Kohn and others is support
of my own philosophy of meeting kids and families where they
are and trying to sort out a way of being in a caring relationship
with them within some framework that is consistent with my
role in my classroom and in my school. Sometimes I feel sad,
disheartened and even frustrated, but I have always known
deep down that there is a balance that is right for me. I
also keep in mind that my work ebbs and flows too, and as
an educator for the long term, I relish being tangled up,
at the same time as I seek to support structural transformation
that will make Kohn’s unconditional teaching more of a reachable
goal when our kids do not come to school full of fear, hungry,
angry, lonely or tired.
Best wishes for
a peaceful new year,
Janet Hecsh
California State University, Sacramento
1/16/06
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Dear
TNLI Fellows,
My sense is that many of us believe in the following: To fundamentally
improve the education of low-income children of color, we
must struggle to bring about "drastic reforms" involving
the "radical reconstruction of society itself."
I particularly got this sense during our November discussion
of David Berliner's article.
I keep
wondering about the following questions:
1) As
teachers, what kind of "drastic reforms" can we
help bring about within our own classrooms? And how does "Unconditional
Teaching" fit into these reforms?
2) Are
there essential relationships between "drastic reforms"
involving the "radical reconstruction of society itself"
and classroom management?
3) How
are the classroom management practices of a teacher with a
Social Justice perspective different from those of a teacher
without a Social Justice perspective?
Raymond Lau
Chicago
1/16/06
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Dear
TNLI Fellows,
I don't know if we have any more energy or interest left for
Alfie Kohn, but I want to take advantage of the final week
of our January discussion to pose two questions that I believe
lie at the core of the philosophy of "Unconditional Teaching"
but have been overlooked so far.
1) Kohn,
and many others, believe that what is ultimately at stake
in the debate about rewards and punishments is how we view
the basic nature of our students. Do we see them as naturally
self-centered and selfish beings who will do whatever they
can get away with in order to maximize their self-interests?
Or do we see them as beings who naturally want to belong and
to do well but are lacking in the skills, know-how, and experience
to do so? If we believe in the former, then we will more likely
be inclined to try to control our students' behaviors by means
of extrinsic rewards and punishments. If we believe in the
latter, however, we will more likely be inclined to find ways
to equip our students with the skills, know-how, and experience
that they need in order to get along with others and to do
well, rather than simply trying to get them to comply with
our wishes.
Which
view should we embrace? What are the implications?
2) In
his book Unconditional Parenting: Moving from Rewards and
Punishments to Love and Reason, Kohn can rely on the bond
of love that naturally exists (often, but unfortunately, not
always) between parents and children. In this context, unconditional
acceptance is based upon unconditional love. However, in extending
the principles of unconditional parenting to the teaching
realm, I believe Kohn has neglected to determine a clear foundation
for our supposed "unconditional acceptance" of students.
Afterall, we are teaching somebody else's children, and thus
can no longer take for granted a bond of love that naturally
exists between us and our students. What is the source of
our desire, motivation, or energy to practice "unconditional
teaching"? What drives "unconditional teachers"?
A sense of social justice? The desire to fight for the underdog?
And how is our energy, motivation, desire sustained or renewed
on an on-going basis? For those of us who teach in really
"tough" schools, this question is immediate and
urgent.
We usually
spend more time talking about our students than ourselves,
but if Parker Palmer is correct (in his book The Courage to
Teach) that "we teach who we are," then perhaps
it is high time that we examine a little more closely the
"inner landscape" of ourselves, as teachers.
I hope
we can discuss these two important questions before January
is over.
Raymond Lau
Chicago
1/25/06
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I know that I am way late
in responding to this article, but here goes: I do believe
that many of what Kohn says has value, however, I must say
that it is often easier said than done when our classroom
environment most often reflects society's view of rewarding
positive "behaviors" while punishing negative behaviors.
Culturally, I would say over 90% of my 7th grade students
are in agreement with this philosophy as evidenced by a particular
incident that happened just prior to Christmas break.
For the
first ten weeks of school, only a small percentage of my students
consistently missed numerous assignments, failed to actively
participate in classroom activities and were often disrespectful
to their own peers. Despite being given numerous opportunities
to make amends for all of their misdeeds, my colleagues and
I decided that students who consistently acted in this manner
be excluded from the Christmas party.
After the party
we had all of the students (including the students who were
not allowed to attend) write their reflections (anonymously)
on whether or not they felt that exclusion was appropriate.
Out of 85 responses only 3 students felt that the punishment
did not fit the crime and that they felt that the exclusion
was too harsh. I was extremely surprised by this. Many wrote
that although they were excluded, they thought the punishment
was "fair" because it wasn't right for everyone
to suffer because they chose not to follow classroom rules
or complete homework. They expressed that although they were
sad about being excluded, they took responsibility for their
actions and vowed to improve. Of course this was no magic
bullet, some of those students still continue to make mistakes--like
any other human being, but since adolescents have a deep connection
to what they perceive as "fairness" or "unfairness,"
all in all they felt that since they were being treated fairly
(i.e. they had a privilege taken way from them for inappropriate
actions), they felt that they had learned something from the
incident.
Susan Hardison
Chicago
1/30/06
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